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acting as if he's out there all alone, that he never hooked up with ryan if the first place. i get it. romney doesn't want to get dragged down by his political mate's push for getting rid of medicare. he acts like ryan has no hold on him, but it's not the way it works. romney has slowly gotten the word that the voter out there thought the two had things worked out, that romney and ryan were in this thing together. well, they're not. romney is dying. he can't stand being tied to ryan, and all that budget cutting baggage of his. for his part, ryan is feeling the taint of having a running mate who is unwilling to stand with him, unwilling to be his kind of politician. a conviction politician. so trouble in paradise. mitt's dying to be single again, so is ryan. we all know that politics makes strange bedfellows but the word is out this pair, romney and ryan, are sleeping in separate rooms. i'm joined by msnbc political analyst howard fineman and joy joy-ann reid, managing editor of thegrio.com. more polling data that shows mitt romney trailing. according to a new fox news poll, president obama leads romney by five points among
likely voters nationwide. 48% to 43%. catch that, the fox poll. highly significant there. let's go right now to howard on this question. it looks to me like this divorce papers are pretty much out there right now. all that you hear now is romney doesn't really want to be stuck in that little basement where they cut medicare. >> well, mitt romney was on the campaign trail today saying, i have a little secret, i'm going to win pennsylvania. okay. he's not going to win pennsylvania. >> it's the oldest state in the union. >> he's not going to win pennsylvania with paul ryan's profile on medicare or budget cutting or anything else. so if mitt romney is serious about making a play in pennsylvania, that just
underscores how inconvenient paul ryan has become. look, mitt romney did not pick paul ryan because of paul ryan's medicare or budget programs. he picked paul ryan because of his youthfulness, because of the cultural appeal, because of what paul ryan himself calls the deer hunter catholic that he is, okay? that might sell in pennsylvania, but the other stuff won't. and if we're going to be cutting medicare at some point, which i think most voters understand, i think right now looking at these alternatives, they would rather have a democrat they know than a republican from a party that never supported the program to begin with. >> let me go to joy on that. joy-ann, it seems to me that people who once you get into your late 60s, early 70s, into your 80s, you have one primary care, and that's what you're always talking about with your friends, how is your health? how is it going? you're social life in many ways is going to see the doctor. you have to survive, see your kids and grandkids. you don't walk away and say i'd like to cut it but i don't like his health care program. >> the most remarkable thing when you go back and look at the state by state swing state polls, in florida or in wisconsin or in ohio or in iowa, the remarkable thing and the
only thing that has changed in terms of the demographics is that barack obama is now tied with mitt romney or beating mitt romney among voters over 60. that's the very group that is the most skeptical of barack obama. they have been the hardest group for him to win over, but he is now winning them over and there's only one reason for that, it is medicare. and, you know, as much as i totally understand what howard fineman was saying, there was no other reason to pick paul ryan other than his budget. paul ryan was not the governor of a state, he can't deliver his home state from what we're seeing -- >> we know that now. >> you picked him because you wanted to tell the right we're going to take your ideology and take it to main street and then he didn't want to do it. >> let me -- now you got into a little thought here about howard's thinking, my question to you, and it's a tough one, didn't he know that if he bought ryan, he was buying his deal? he was buying his cuts in medicare, his substitution plan for a voucher system? how could he not know that? he's a dealmaker.
>> he immediately distanced himself. mitt romney immediately distanced himself from the $700 billion in cuts that the were part of paul ryan's immediate plan. so they knew right away they had a problem. i think they picked him because in spite of that. i think they picked him because he was young, because he was forceful, because, yes, he was ideological, but typical mitt romney who for a business guy doesn't always examine the details, i mean, i don't think they thought through the implications. >> i don't get -- >> i don't think -- they were going for the sizzle of the conservative without looking at the details. >> let me get into this for a minute here. this is the mitt romney -- we all have problems in our thinking, nobody is perfect obviously. i think the problem with mitt romney is he wants all the advantages of a conviction
politician. he wants to be seen as one, but he isn't one. he's a pragmatist. let's get a look. the starkest bit of evidence paul ryan's position on medicare is poisoning the republican ticket came a week ago when paul ryan was booed at the aarp convention when he called for the repeal of obama care. let's watch this. >> the first step to a stronger medicare is to repeal obama care because it represents the worst of both worlds. i had a feeling there would be mixed reaction, so let me get into it. it weakens medicare for today's seniors and puts it at risk for the next generation. >> well, not too popular there. now we've got the poll that is put concrete numbers behind those boos. a new poll by "the washington post" and the kaiser family foundation shows that medicare trails only the economy as the top voting issue in the swing states of florida, ohio, and virginia. and among voters who say medicare is extremely important to their vote, obama swamps romney by, get this, 13 points. when voters in those states were asked a similar question, woman
they trusted to deal with the medicare program, obama again trumps romney in all the polls. in ohio obama leads romney on medicare by 19. in florida, 15. in virginia, 13. other polls have shown president obama's advantage on medicare has grown significantly since ryan joined the ticket. so let's go back to this again, trying to figure this out. he bought into a guy who was known primarily for this voucher plan, getting rid of medicare as we know it. basically go to a doctor and the bills are paid by medicare. you can't beat a system like that, joy ann, i don't think on this planet earth and have something paid for when you go to do it. there's nothing like it. >> and -- >> why would anybody want to change it? nobody would want to change it. >> chris, i think what's worse than that is they tried to be too cute with it. they said they're not going to
touch anybody over 55. people over 55 understand their children are future seniors. it's not they're going to be selfish and say as long as you don't touch my medicare, go ahead, turn it into a voucher. seniors don't like the idea of changing the program for their children and grandchildren. they want the program to stay as it is. >> we're going to put you in a room with a lion but keep him 15 feet away from you. we're not going to let him get at you exactly. >> absolutely. that whole don't worry everybody over 55 -- >> wouldn't that send a message we know it won't sell to you. >> yes, what it sends a message is we know this is unpalatable so we're going to keep you away from it. i agree, it's a line that's been used before. it's a line that's been drawn before, but it turns out not to
work politically. >> i want to get to something that really is wild. by the way, here it is again, we'll get to this first. in the first interview romney and ryan gave after ryan joined the ticket, bob schieffer pointed out ryan budget plan, including his plan to voucherize, that's a great word, medicare, could be trouble for romney. let's listen. >> there's no question your campaign has been trying to make this a election a referendum on barack obama. now some people are saying you are making it a referendum on paul ryan's budget plan. >> well, i have my budget plan, as you know, that i have put out, and that's the budget plan that we're going to run on. >> and again this sunday romney had to distance himself from ryan's positions and assert that he's the man at the top of the ticket. let's listen. >> the president's cutting $716 billion from current medicare. i disagree with that. i'd put those dollars back into medicare. >> mr. ryan has proposed something similar, almost precisely the same number, 716. >> he was going to use that money to reduce the budget deficit. i'm putting it back into medicare and i'm the guy running for president. >> well, what a miserable time he has. all he does is defend himself against paul ryan's budget and he put the guy on the ticket. >> chris, i remember when this happened. when you put ryan on the ticket, a lot of democrats said, okay, it's over, we've got it. and i was skeptical about that when they said it, and i think a lot of us who like to hear intellectual debates about policy said, great, bring it on, let's have a big debate about the philosophy of government. down in florida they don't care about the philosophy. >> all politics is local. >> they want the program, they like the program, don't mess with the program.
>> let's go to something really big because i like this guy so much. this is jim webb who is retiring as the senator from virginia. he's a democrat but a different kind of democrat. many people, including me, believe he's eviscerated romney with these words he spoke. remember what romney was saying, there's the takers and the makers out there, including among the takers, unfortunately for mr. romney, are those people who served us in uniform, may have been dismembered in some cases, spent the rest of their lives dealing with the injuries and wounds they suffered for the country, and they don't consider themselves takers exactly. let's listen to jim webb defend them. >> governor romney and i are right about the same age, young guys. like millions in the our generation, we came to adulthood facing the harsh realities of the vietnam war.
2.7 million in our age group went to vietnam. those young marines that i led so many years ago have grown older now. they've lived lives of courage, both in combat and after their return where many of them were derided by their own peers for having served. that was a long time ago. they are not bitter. they know what they did, but in receiving veteran's benefits, they are not takers. they are givers in the ultimate sense of the word. >> joy, the whole thing, people should look it up on youtube, it's the most powerful speech. i watched it today. it's riveting. >> when i heard this last night i thought to myself, this is
devastating for mitt romney. i mean, these two gentlemen are of the same age. you understand, chris, the most seminal decision that had to be made by young men of the vietnam era was whether to answer that call or whether to try to find a way to get out of the draft, and for those who supported the war but still didn't serve, that reminder i think is devastating for mitt romney among veterans. he didn't mention veterans in his acceptance speech in tampa which is was a huge error. devastating i think for mitt romney. >> if i were the democrats i'd run jim webb every night. >> the democrats and the barack obama administration from the beginning has been focusing on veterans. michelle obama -- >> she's always with the families. >> this is a theme that runs through the administration. it's paying off now in many states. >> and romney did them the favor of not mentioning -- >> of not mentioning. in senate races it will be big. that's a constituency surprisingly in favor of this president which in the past has not been the case with democratic presidents. >> this rings with that great movie by oliver stone, they cheer when you go off to battle, when you come back wounded you're not really one of them anymore. it's terrible. >> it's been smart and humane of the obamas to focus on it. >> thank you, howard fineman, great conversation howard and joy. >> claire mccaskill versus todd
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comments by akin were disqualifying. >> it seems to me, first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> that sounds like a crack pot there. anyway, after the deadline for akin to drop out passed this week, republicans seemed to have dropped their denunciations of akin and now groups that vowed never to give him another penny are hinting they might reverse course. on wednesday the national republican senate committee put out a statement saying, quote, as with every republican senate candidate, we hope todd akin wins in november, and we will continue to monitor this race closely in the days ahead. well, that legitimate rape comment is far from an anomaly for akin. he has a long history of making outrageous statements, some of which senator mccaskill highlights in her latest tv ad. let's watch. >> on the mainstream priorities that matter to missouri, how does akin measure up? see for yourself. when asked about a plan that ends traditional medicare forcing seniors to pay an extra $6,000 per year -- >> so this is a good idea.
i voted for it. >> the minimum wage, akin wants to abolish it. >> i don't think that government should be setting the prices or wages on different things. >> making college affordable. akin compared the federal student loans program to stage three cancer. >> america has got the equivalent of stage three cancer of socialism. >> senator mccaskill joins us now. senator, i follow politics i guess my whole life, and these kinds of crack pots used to be the people that ran every four or six years and were regularly defeated in primaries. they were the side show in politics. how did he win a nomination in missouri to run for the united states senate, this guy, todd akin, with his views? >> it was a three-way primary, and the far right, very evangelical, religious base of the republican party, the mike huckabee, rick santorum wing of the republican party coalesced behind todd akin in the primary
and in a three-way primary, that was enough. >> earlier this week akin is back in shape here i guess in terms of the establishment. he had this to say about your debating style. take a look. >> the first two minutes it was like somebody let a wildcat loose and so we went at it for about an hour. >> he said he was surprised about how you attacked from every different direction. you know, as if it was a debate or something. he said you weren't very ladylike. let's check that thought from him. >> she was very aggressive in the debate, which was quite different than the way she was when she ran against jim talent. she had a confidence and was very much more sort of ladylike in the debate we had friday. she came out swinging, and i think that's because she was threatened. >> well, today akin denied his use of the word ladylike was sexist. he said it's the same thing as calling a man a gentleman.
quote, we have a couple words in the english language one is a gentleman and one is a lady. he was using them as the english language uses those items or those terms. what do you make of that? when you heard him say ladylike, did it strike you as a bit yesterday and sexist in the old time version where women are treated as somehow frail and they should act like they're frail and fragile and they shouldn't really get rough and tough even when it's a fight for the united states senate? what did you think? >> well, you know, i was speechless. i'm a former courtroom prosecutor, chris, and i want to be strong and informed, and i fight for missouri's middle class families, and todd akin is very extreme, and i don't think he was prepared for me confronting him with things like him being one of the handful of people who vote against the child nutrition program and voting against a sex offender registry and voting against a center for missing and exploited children. i mean, this is somebody who does make michele bachmann look
like a hippie. he is that far on the fringe. >> that's pretty far. >> pointing those things out, i'm not sure he was prepared for that, but i was polite and calm, and i think that saying i was unladylike is a code word for that, you know, women shouldn't be strong and that we should be more deferential, and i think that's probably what he was getting at. >> well, you ought to be strong. you're the only thing between him and this crackpot getting into the united states senate. i wish you would get a little tougher. look at the things he stands for. he wants to get rid of medicare. and then he wants to abolish the minimum wage. there's a lot of people out there who got their first job with a minimum wage and needed it to get protection. he wants to get rid of student loans. i had student loans all through college. i got a fellowship i was offered in grad school. a lot of us couldn't go to quality schools if we didn't
have that kind of help. what is he talking about saying we got to get rid of student loans and calling it stage three cancer? it wasn't that for me. what's he talking about? >> that's just it, it's not what he has said that's the problem, it's what he believes that is the problem. i don't think government is the answer, but, chris, government is not the enemy, and even further yesterday, this was an amazing piece of tape that we'll be happy to share with you for a later date. he actually said that he was against the equal pay act because he thought employers should have the -- >> we got it. senator, we have it. >> -- freedom to discriminate. >> we're pretty good at. we got ahold of it. he was asked why he voted against the lily ledbetter fair pay act and why he thought it was okay for a woman to be paid less for the same work as a man. here is his answer. you can respond. let's watch. >> well, first of all, the premise of your question is that i'm making that particular
distinction. i believe in free enterprise. i don't think the government should be telling people who you pay and what you don't pay. i think it's about freedom. somebody wants to hire somebody and they agree on a salary, that's fine. however it wants to work. and so the government sticking its nose in all kinds of things has gotten us into huge trouble. >> well, he doesn't believe in the government requiring fairness in the workplace. does he believe in child labor laws? is he against the civil rights bill for public accommodations where you can't close your bathrooms to black people? what kind of laws is this guy for? apparently nothing. >> well, i think that you're probably onto something there, but the notion -- >> it sounds like his principle is don't mess with business on anything. >> i think that the notion that it would be -- that it is interfering with someone's freedom to say to them you can't discriminate against someone
that is doing the same work just because they're a woman. you know, we've had an outpouring of support in the last 48 hours. clairemccaskill.com, people are coming there and they're really jazzed up about this notion that i was -- that i'm not ladylike. i am a fighter, chris. i'm proud to be a fighter for missouri families, and there's a lot at stake in this election and, believe me, it's not over. missouri will be tough, this will be close. >> did you ever have a defense attorney say to you when you're putting a bad guy in prison, you're not being ladylike there? you just did your job. this is not a hard one to decide and you're qualified to be a senator and proved this guy is not qualified for any position. thank you, claire mccaskill for joining us. an honor to have you on as always. up next, stephen colbert tackles the latest desperate cry from the right that the polls showing president obama leading and mitt romney behind are unfair. well, we just had the fox poll that says obama is ahead by five. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ you do ♪ something to me ♪ that nobody else could do
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three key swing states. once you isolate voters who are extremely interested in the election, the race is much closer. >> romney's tied when you focus on the inexpressibly intrigued. and he's up by two points when you count only voters who are psychotically engaged. folks, i have got my own source of polls, conservative blogger dean chambers who analyzed these polls favoring obama and then reached the scientific conclusion that they just didn't look right. chambers' work throws all polls into doubt now. even the internal ones i have taken of myself. i mean, the results say i'm not that excited about mitt romney, but as a conservative i feel like i should love him. maybe the sample size is too small or maybe i checked the wrong box and i'm actually latino, you know? >> it's not a good sign just six weeks from election day to bash the polls.
the first presidential debate is next week, next wednesday. looking back to the gop primary debates for a moment, there were probably times when you heard a candidate's response and thought, can that really be true? example -- >> this is one thing we know about barack obama, he has essentially handed over our interrogation of terrorists to the aclu. he's outsourced it to them. our cia has no ability to have any form of interrogation for terrorists. >> people were dumbfounded watching that. anyway, the national press caught up with a team of fact checkers wednesday and the name bachmann came up. jim drinkard, who represents the associated press said, quote, we had to have a self-imposed michele bachmann quota in some of those debates. often she was just more prone to statements that just didn't add up. well, the bachmann quota, drinkard said the quota didn't have a numeric value, but focusing on all bachmann's murky statements would overload the debate story.
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here's what is happening. in a swipe at mitt romney, president obama says when he travels to the country, he does not meet victims. leon panetta says the syrian government have moved chemical weapons to protect them. and results for jimmy hoffa could be back in by monday. back to "hardball ". back to "hardball" and to a very big story. this november there's more at stake than who will occupy the white house, the president in office during the next four years is not the only issue. for the next four or eight years it will be very likely that the next president will be appointing the supreme court justices who will be shaping the country's future for years and years ahead.
on that court it usually falls 5-4, so it's a big deal who gets picked next. there are four supreme court justices right now currently over the age of 70, meaning at some point in the near future the composition of the court could change dramatically. to the left, certainly look over there, ruth bader ginsburg is 79 and has undergone treatment for pancreatic cancer, and justice stephen breyer is 74. antonin scalia is 76 and justice anthony kennedy is 76. with me now is jeffrey toobin, author of "the oath," and white house correspondent sam stein. jeff, thank you for joining us. i can only assume this is one of the best written books of its kind because you are one great writer. i read "the nine." i don't know how you escaped law school. you know how to put sentences together and also make it fun and easy and enjoyable to read without getting into jargon.
congratulations again. >> thank you. >> i want you to be a tutor to the voter out there, not just women, gays, minorities, but everybody who cares about civil rights, cares about the kind of country we live in. what's at stake, say romney wins for two four-year terms, gets eight years, a shot at picking justices, or president obama gets four more years, what's at stake in those periods of time for the future of the country? >> does the constitution still protect a woman's right to choose abortion? may a university use race in admission? may congress regulate campaign spending at all or are we going to continue to deregulate campaigns like citizens united? will there still be a barrier between church and state? those are just a handful of the issues, and the thing about the supreme court is you never know exactly what they're going to deal with because who among us predicted that they would decide the 2000 election. they have the last word. that's what matters so much about the supreme court.
they have the last word on every important issue in the country. >> well, that brings me to -- how come none of us in general assignment reporting has engaged on the stakes of the court appointments? >> it's a great question because when you follow these campaigns, and i have been following it for almost a year now, the topic rarely comes up, and i think you make a valid point that whoever the president is next, the likelihood is they won't have a complying congress if you consider the filibuster, they won't be able to do much legislative activity, perhaps immigration reform being the exception. the main stakes center around who do they nominate if there is a vacancy on the court. those are the most consequential decisions the next president will make. but we never talk about it. we don't talk about it for a variety of reasons, but it's a peculiar absence from this campaign dialogue. >> let's imagine that a wonderful person, ginsburg, leaves the court. she's very much beloved in that court even by -- i learned if from your books how much they
get along, she and scalia, for example. maybe he leaves. can a president of the center left like obama or a president who seems to be on the right right now like romney, can they make a 180 degree switcheroo. could they take the ginsburg seat and give it to the right? would it get past a simple majority? >> the fact is most supreme court nominations get through. robert bork didn't get through in 1987. harriet miers withdrew at the end of the president bush's term. by and large supreme court appointments get through, but we have not seen a liberal replace a conservative in a very long time, maybe 1993 when byron white was replaced by ruth ginsburg, but if, for example, the conservative -- one of the conservative justices leaves in a second obama term, that will be the world war iii of all time because the conservative movement in this country has embraced their version of the constitution as a fundamental aspect of what they believe in. more than the democrats have, frankly. republicans talk about the
constitution more than the democrats do these days, and if the balance could go from 5 to 4 republican to 5 to 4 democrat, the implications would be earth shaking. >> you know, sam, i think a lot of people have gotten, especially young people, have gotten comfortable with roe v. wade. they don't know what it was like in their mother's age, their father's age. a lot of people think the landmark decisions like brown or roe v. wade or the public school prayer decision or certainly they read positive review of the simple rights act in '64 had to happen. i can imagine even under this court today, the court we have right now, saying no to the civil rights bill. it doesn't work there for interstate commerce. i don't know which way roberts would go on a similar question. those issues are close right now. >> it's complicated. one of the cases that could be considered is the voting rights act. that could be overturned. obviously affirmative action is going to be on the docket. that's a very complicated issue,
but it works both ways. there's a high chance this court will hear an appeal to doma. it could be the first court that establishes some progressivity with respect to gay rights. it could make a historic court even though the politics would suggest otherwise. it works both ways, and it will be curious to see not only which cases they pick up in what manner and how the arguments play out because doma could come up and so could prop 8 which is a different section of the gay rights debate. i'm curious to see how it plays out. i'm assuming jeff will be on top of it. >> jeff is on top of it right now. a lot of people who watch this show are pro-choice, some not, but many are. how would roe v. wade be taken down. what would weaken it, the right of a woman to choose an abortion. >> we may see that sooner rather than later because a lot of red states have imposed more and more restrictions on the right to abortion. you know, whether it's longer
waiting periods or establishing very onerous rules for what facilities can do an abortion. so you allow more and more -- the supreme court in 2006 upheld the so-called partial birth abortion law which restricted a certain kind of abortion. >> i understand. >> that is -- i mean, that's how it works. ultimately, justice kennedy's opinion in that partial birth abortion case really opened the door to even more restrictions -- >> i like undue burden. i hope it survives. thank you. jeff too bin, your book's name is "the oath." i'll tell you one thing i can predict right now, it's beautifully written and you will learn so much without even knowing it was an effort. that's the great thing about this writer. you learn so much and it didn't seem like school. anyway, thank you. and you, too, sam stein. up next, how hollywood is looking to put president obama over the top. no surprise there. the fun of the celebrity world coming to get out the vote, get
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you know, a lot of these laws require you to have a state issued picture i.d. like a driver's license, but more than 21 million americans don't have driver's licenses. >> what about my social security card? i've been using it for 70 years. >> no photo, no voto. i'm onto your shenanigans, murray gershans, if that's your real name. >> that's sarah silverman's viral video on the way voter i.d. laws disenfranchise voters. she and other celebrities like samuel l. jackson and steve carell have been putting out
videos to encourage people not to be deterred. a new video by samuel l. jackson hit the internet. it's a takeoff of his blockbuster reading of a children's book. let's listen. >> mom, dad, the election is coming up soon. >> we're tired right now, hon. go back to your room. >> i'm sorry, my friend, but there's no time to snore. an out of touch millionaire has just declared war on schools, the environment, and unions, fair pay. we're all on our own if romney has his way. and he's against safety nets. if you fall, tough luck. so i strongly suggest that you wake the [ bleep ] up. >> well, joining me right now is daily show creator lizz winstead. there's something the way these guys can do it and we can never do it, the sort of anti-hero types like sarah and samuel l. jackson. how do they connect with youngers voters who might be a little busy on election day? >> i'm not sure it's even just
younger voters, chris. i think sometimes, and when i look at my audiences when i do standup and i'm talking about these issues, i'm surprised i don't see a room full of people that just have purple foreheads from smacking themselves going i just can't believe this is happening. and i think when you add really raw language where people feel really frustrated, it hits where it lives. if you add comedy to it, people sit up and take notice. >> joel, your thoughts about why this stronger language, perhaps, like in samuel jackson's case my motivate young voters. >> i think it's fun. if you're not for obama, it's not going to convince you. but if you're already there and you need to be fired up to get to the polls or you feel like i'm a sam jackson fan, this is my demo, i should be part of this, you feel like it reminds you that's who you are and you should vote for obama, even if you're not as excited as you
were four years ago. >> steve carell has a new video out to shame people into voting. >> you vote because you care and people should care. up should care. what's wrong with you? don't just watch the video. come on. what's wrong with you? go to our time.org to register now. if you didn't vote, i will probably show up at your house and give you a smack, a smack right across the ear. i'd box your ear. >> i have two concerns about people not voting. one is that people who are intimidated by these terrible voter photo id laws and they think are tougher than they are. don't say no to yourself. maybe them say no at the voting booth. the other people i worry about are people who are lackadaisical, who think obama has it made or the other guy has
it made and think they don't have to vote. li lizz? >> yeah, i think that's right. they all use their personalities really well in these ads. they're effective of saying people talk a lot about these issues. i think when you hammer that home, people take notice. you and i, chris, have more love children together than there has been voter fraud. >> here's sarah silverman using humor. let's listen. >> there are these brand new super [ bleep ] up laws which are presented as a way to prevent voter fraud but in fact designed to make it hard for specific people to vote, black people, elderly people, poor people and students. hmm, i wonder what those demographics have in common. oh, yeah, they're probably going
to vote for this guy. >> well, sometimes i think she is so great, joel and lizz, i wonder is that really the person she was born or did she develop that wonderful personality of her, that ironic, whimsical personality. she makes the point, though, it is partisan. >> that is who she is. she and i are doing a video together that we're taping next week. look for that, chris. we're thick as thieves. >> okay, good connection there. joel, your thoughts about this, is it all one way? first of all, i think the voter photo thing is voter suppression. are the republicans doing anything like this to get their team out, the romney people out? >> you haven't seen the clint eastwood video? it's amazing. >> he's still my hero. bad night. we all have bad nights. anyway, here's another samuel l. jackson. he tries to motivate young people with his intimidating
style. the ones that vote for last time. he wants them reengaged. >> i hate to bleak break it to you, sis but all politicians are the same. >> they're all the same? big brother, please. obama sent seals to bin laden's place. romney sent jobs overseas. how about that student loan overhaul? it's going to save you thousands of bucks. myth will cut that [ bleep ] check in a second. dude, wake the [ bleep ] up. >> how did they know he would be perfect? >> and he wrote this book "go the f to sleep" and then samuel l. jackson did the audio book. so they both just redid it. hearing samuel l. jackson curse, it carried a whole movie about snakes. >> thank you, joel stein.
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